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Adam Member

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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 20:13:59 Post subject: |
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So the changed the front wing first? I thought they would start with the rear one.
Thanks for the info. |
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Adam Member

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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 07:26:57 Post subject: |
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| I must prais Renault team for building up a car at night, and Alonso for taking to the top 3 a new car he did not even tried before, in practice session either. |
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Mercedes-Benz Member

Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Location: India
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 08:49:53 Post subject: |
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Crap !!! He had some new diffuser fitted in his car today they made some changes to his car and it helped him. It is not miracle ok and also he may be less fuel  _________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXh25i7_3Is  |
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Julzie Member

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 08:53:25 Post subject: |
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Your constant need to bash Alonso is childish, stop being such a stirrer yes, you don't like him, we get it, now move on  |
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icegirljenni Member

Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:41:01 Post subject: |
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but one thing they manage to do is, they manage weight problem unlike ferrari. the new diffuser somehow manage to find right setup. BUT fuel low for him, so not so win win situation but at least they sort out weight prob which ferrari unable to do so.
lets get to know about New R29 Diffuser:-
The rear of the R29 is not just some quick fix, its more detailed than previously thought of, this cant be a rushed work, I suspect renault were cunning and preparing well before they even planned to protest them. There is just too much detail and difference for this not to be a carefully thought of design.
First off the old one, well this one is from the winter testing. The recent ones in the last races features a slight change in the center line of the diffuser but nothing significant for comparison sakes just some veins for flow diversion.
Old one from testing=> http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7634/119919.jpg
From the last two races=> http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9260/1417056.jpg
The older diffuser were wide and there was no way to increase height without breaking the rules (atleast thats what all the honest teams thought). this means a simple diffuser with less curvature upwards. This limits the amount of suction the rear gets towards the ground when air flows fast from under it to the outside.
The whole car becomes a half Venturi channel. from the front of the car to the rear of the car.
see here =>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Venturifixed2.PNG/300px-Venturifixed2.PNG
Now here its just like basic Bernoulli's principle. When the velocity is higher at any point the pressure drops. Point 1 has more pressure than point 2 in the picture above.
So now imagine the same venturi channel as shown above and visualize the f1 car's under side and the front and rear edges forming a half Venturi channel as shown below.
http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undert.jpg
The low pressure develops when the speed drops, the air under the car is moving at a faster rate which is why pressure is lower under the car. What happens because of this? The pressure form the top of the car around the bodywork exposed to the open air gets pressed down due to higher pressure above and the suction like effect from below.
Now you can see why its not only important to have a good diffuser you also need a good front end nose cone to aid the diffuser at the back. Simply bolting on something will do you no good.
The reason why the speed increases under the car is beyond the scope of this article, I shall give another article on that which will go over complete aerodynamic and fluid motion basics in detail.
Getting back to the old diffuser, we can see the edge of the diffuser on the outer most reaches are closer to the rear tyres. There is a lesser gap to the rear wheels. Also the the edge is obviously farther away from the outer reaches of the rear wing's side plates. This is shown as a reference to show how wide it is.
Now the the parallel plates that drop down is also different in its positions compared to the new one, this shows the channeling of air has to be changed, and they have done exactly that.
New Diffuser in detail=> http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1699/122832.jpg
The new diffuser is slightly narrower and more compact to accommodate more air flow over the gaping aperture on top that forms the upper 2nd deck, This deck is designed in such a way that the air rushes into the diffuser from underneath and in the future from the sides around the sidepods into the holes that feed the 2nd deck, This forms a wing like aerodynamic structure at the same time enhances the Venturi effect. The idea to reduce the size of the diffuser's lower region is clearly to have more of that airflow to be forced into the 2nd deck.
The design is comprehensive and is not a small patch and bolt work like that of Mclaren. Renault are keeping their cards close to their chests on what going on at the factory. |
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Adam Member

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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 18:26:01 Post subject: Re: |
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| Mercedes-Benz wrote: | Crap !!! He had some new diffuser fitted in his car today they made some changes to his car and it helped him. It is not miracle ok and also he may be less fuel  |
Of course is not a matter of being a miracle. As I said, Renault did a very nice job working at night to get so many parts fitted to the car.
Then of course, Alonso must be praised too because of taking the car to that position, a car he hasn't tested before, a brand new car for qualifying.
So yes, it has nothing to do with miracles, but a nice work by many sides.
He may be light, but the improvement of Renault in each race is constant and quite notorious. A light strategy maybe, but that can works perfectly well seeing how good Alonso can do with a not so competitive car. |
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angeliwink Member

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icegirljenni Member

Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 18:40:10 Post subject: |
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this is short video of renault new diffuser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd4remhW0J8
| Quote: | NOTICE PUBLISHED IN ELECONOMISTA.ES:
"The chairman of Grupo Santander, Emilio Botin, went to the Grand Prix of Bahrain to meet with heads Ferrari after greeting members of Renault and McLaren. Botín went to the office of Luca di Montezemelo talking about their sponsorship to the team to from 2010 and the future of Fernando Alonso.
In brief quote topics such as sponsorship of Santander to Ferrari from 2010 and the arrival of Fernando Alonso to the Italian squad are as safe according to the newspaper. "
Just to keep you all informed of the newest rumours. |
pict below is priceless
http://www.f1aldia.com/photos/4100/4143/001_small.jpg |
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angeliwink Member

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Adam Member

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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 14:12:54 Post subject: |
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Thank you, keep them coming  |
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AnnieM Member

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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 19:19:28 Post subject: Re: |
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| Quote: | NOTICE PUBLISHED IN ELECONOMISTA.ES:
"The chairman of Grupo Santander, Emilio Botin, went to the Grand Prix of Bahrain to meet with heads Ferrari after greeting members of Renault and McLaren. Botín went to the office of Luca di Montezemelo talking about their sponsorship to the team to from 2010 and the future of Fernando Alonso.
In brief quote topics such as sponsorship of Santander to Ferrari from 2010 and the arrival of Fernando Alonso to the Italian squad are as safe according to the newspaper. "
Just to keep you all informed of the newest rumours. |
Ahhhh ! One of my favourite conspiracy theorists - The Spanish Press !
When it comes to the Spanish or the Italian Press - I am Agnostic ! I'll believe it when I see it
I wish they would keep to football - then I would not have to keep reading this - over and over again ! Man - Its like Groundhog Day  |
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icegirljenni Member

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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 19:31:38 Post subject: |
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| they are just paranoid with alonso current stage , the spanish press are giving themself something to relief by linking santander to ferrari. i seriously dont see any chance for this great man anymore to enter ferrari, after year of kimi one day, the way have to rule to vettel. i wish the spanish fans have some peace of mind |
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AnnieM Member

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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 19:37:10 Post subject: Re: |
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| icegirljenni wrote: | | they are just paranoid with alonso current stage , the spanish press are giving themself something to relief by linking santander to ferrari. i seriously dont see any chance for this great man anymore to enter ferrari, after year of kimi one day, the way have to rule to vettel. i wish the spanish fans have some peace of mind |
Absolutely ! I like Alonso and wish him success - but this rumour mill is tiresome ! |
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Adam Member

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 16:27:40 Post subject: |
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As an Alonso fan, I don't think that he will go to Ferrari, and honestly that's something very good for me since Ferrari is not much of my liking.
But what's probable is that Santander might sponsor Ferrari. I don't think Santander's president went to Ferrari's home just to talk about the weather. |
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icegirljenni Member

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 18:56:30 Post subject: |
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| Santander leave mclaren because that team reputation has gone, they were just picking a right and better team. I still dont see link between santander and alonso. |
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Adam Member

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 19:19:52 Post subject: Re: |
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| icegirljenni wrote: | | Santander leave mclaren because that team reputation has gone, they were just picking a right and better team. I still dont see link between santander and alonso. |
They are one of the biggest banks in the world, one of the best ones in risk management and one that is doing pretty good despite of the crisis. They need people trusting in them, not being related with the stuff McLaren did in the current and previous season. So you made a good point, they need a better team. This is about displaying advertising after all. |
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ScuderiaStar Member
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 22:23:40 Post subject: |
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Santander will continue to sponsor Mclaren as Abbey National, the British bank they own, so they appear to have their fingers in all the pies! Common business sense, don't think Ferrari are the kind of team to be bullied by sponsors into having certain drivers!  |
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icegirljenni Member

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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 05:59:56 Post subject: |
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Spanish media will try their best to link almost all option where they see as hope for fernando. so it happen last year and happen again this year, is kind of kike use to it  |
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icegirljenni Member

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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 17:06:49 Post subject: Re: |
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this is what happen during the autograph session last week , these photographer were so bad they climb on top wheel chair on the disable fans they could even fall on them and hurt them. alonso is real hero!
http://i44.tinypic.com/2rogx9j.gif |
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Adam Member

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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 18:46:16 Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the gif. Very good move by Alonso. Once again it proves how a good person Alonso is. |
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